In this episode Sophie Hope talks with Sally Labern, an artist and activist living and working in north London. They have a long and detailed discussion about the specificities of cultural organising.

They both live in the London Borough of Walthamstow, and they have both worked locally – separately and together – and they reflect on the processes they have used, the people they have encountered, the way alliances, collectives and friendships form, the problems they have encountered and the struggles they have had, and what they have learned from their work.